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Lyric
08-22-2012, 12:02 AM
Is this a prototype or something? Jim states in a FAQ that there were no early gray F2s, however here one is. Is it possible that it's real? I already bought one bag from this seller and it was authentic. Thanks!


http://knoxville.craigslist.org/pho/3218020920.html

Lyric
08-22-2012, 04:25 PM
Is this thing on? Taps mic....

Andrew
08-23-2012, 01:16 AM
Jim declares in a FAQ that there were no beginning greyish F2s, however here one is. Is it possible that it's real? I already purchased one bag from this owner and it was genuine.

Jon
08-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Is this a prototype or something? Jim states in a FAQ that there were no early gray F2s, however here one is. Is it possible that it's real? I already bought one bag from this seller and it was authentic. Thanks!


http://knoxville.craigslist.org/pho/3218020920.html

They're wrong about it being an "early" F2; back in the early '90s Domke had various bags available in grey (I have an F1x from that era) though, and they recently had a limited run of at least the F2 and F3 in grey.

It's not an early F2, because the strap fittings are black plastic and it has "DOMKE" tape on the end pockets. My original F2 (dating to the early '80s) has stainless sliders and doesn't have the Domke tape on the end pockets. My grey F1x has the "DOMKE" on the end pockets in black tape with red lettering, and has black webbing and edging tape. I'm a little surprised to see sand webbing and edging tape and sand/brown label tape on that; it might be a very early production example of the grey F2, I suppose. The "Limited Edition" F2 and F3x, from around 2009 I think, also had black edging and webbing, and the balck/red DOMKE tape on the end pockets.

Lyric
08-23-2012, 11:39 AM
One more question.

The sand F3 I bought from him has black velcro on it in all three flaps. I have seen sand bags with sand velcro. Was it just willy nilly what color they used? This one has the plastic sliders and the one metal front hook in the center with the DOMKE tape on the end flaps and it's the kind that says "The Rugged Professional" underneath the logo. Would this bag be from the early nineties too?

Thanks

Jon
08-23-2012, 02:31 PM
I don' t think I've ever seen a tan, blue, green (not olive; they made a green one late '80s-early '90s) or brown Domke with anything but tan Velcro or tan/brown marking tape. The olive had matching olive Velcro, and grey and black were the only ones that have had black Velcro or the black/red DOMKE. I couldn't tell you offhand whether all the end tapes said "The Rugged Professional" under the DOMKE. I'd have to look when I got home.

With all these oddities coming up, are the zippers made by YKK? Do the bags have "Made in U.S.A." tags inside? If the answers are "No", he have counterfeit bags. That would sort of line up with the "wrong" colour of edging and branding tapes.

I do know that Domke, Saunders, and most recently Tiffen would contract out batches of each bag style to be made. It's possible that one of the makers would run out of the "correct" DOMKE tape, edging, or whatever and use what they did have on hand, but I'd think it unlikely they'd run out of so many key components in the appropriate colour.

I did uncover a scan I made of a 1990 Domke (Saunders) brochure. At the time the available colours were given as black with black trim, grey with black trim, sand with sand trim and navy with sand trim. A close-up on the cover shows the DOMKE label to not have any other lettering on it (it was of a grey bag with black trim and the black/red DOMKE)..

Lyric
08-23-2012, 02:45 PM
The bag does have YKK zippers and instead of a made in the USA tag with a flag on it, inside it has a "crafted with pride in the usa" tag with a red and blue star made out of lines (3 red and one blue line) on each point. There is also a silver snap on the front of the bag which says DOMKE on it.

Jon
08-23-2012, 04:21 PM
A round dot-type snap? Haven't seen them on any of my bags that I recall. I also haven't got an example (I just looked) of a Domke bag that has anything other than a solid bar under the "DOMKE". That covers F1, F2, F-2 Backpack, F3x, F5a,b, F6, F7, F802, F-804, F-901, F-902 and F-945 of various ages and colours. The "Made in USA" tags varied; "Crafted with pride in the USA", in two different sizes, is on my grey F-1x and my navy F-2, both from the mid-late '80s to early '90s period.

Lyric
08-23-2012, 09:36 PM
Okay, here are the images of the bag I bought from Craigslist. Hopefully they are enough for someone to authenticate with. Thanks again.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8421/7848453894_de09554fb2_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8298/7848454142_cd6b4621d4_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7129/7848455292_b5ecd583ed_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8290/7848456724_4cc22f75b6_c.jpg

Lyric
08-23-2012, 09:38 PM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8303/7848456958_717ebf9623_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7848457230_19fb9b96c4_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8294/7848459126_6f1b05a916_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8293/7848459612_4dbb079c7b_c.jpg

Lyric
08-23-2012, 09:38 PM
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8299/7848461520_c68a573c1a_c.jpg

Jon
08-24-2012, 07:17 AM
Well, the three things that strike me as odd are the black Velcro, the snap (with or without "Domke"), and the "The Rugged Professional" on the logo ribbon. The "Crafted with Pride" looks like one that was used as a sewn-in tag for a while, and also as a paper tag on the factory-fresh bags. But then I haven't seen every single production run that ever came out. That certainly looks like the F3x design.

That snap is what especially bugs me; It's possible that my F-801 had a snap on one of the outside (papers) pockets, but that was a very early one, contemporaneous with my first F-2, and pre-dating use of the plastic sliders, the "DOMKE" ribbons, or the non-slip strap. It was also a somewhat different colour than the current "Sand" offering, being a yellower (and possibly lighter, though some of that is probably fading over the years). I just don't see why they would have used a snap on the outside front pocket, which after all can otherwise carry fairly bulky items - it seems much more inconvenient than either a flap or no closure at all would be.

Lyric
08-24-2012, 09:57 AM
So, are you saying there is no way to tell if this is genuine or not? I have to say the bag looks old and well worn and seems to be of good quality. It also seems to be in keeping with the design of all the other older F3s I've seen. As for the "The Rugged Professional" tag, there is a picture of one on the splash page of this site when I first logged in, so that ribbon seems to be genuine at least.

As for the snap, I really only added the photo for authenticity's sake because I have never seen one with that before.

I guess I was thinking this bag could be a prototype or something, I don't know, but I would really like to know if 's genuine or not

Jon
08-24-2012, 12:26 PM
They've used the "Rugged Professional" slogan since pretty near the beginning. I just haven't seen it on the "DOMKE" labels sewn on any of my bags, and I have a lot of Domke gear. They've all, where the label existed, been just a solid bar under the "DOMKE".

http://jonbarrettphoto.smugmug.com/photos/826444481_yHbVN-L-2.jpg

Maybe Jim Domke, next time he's on, will be able to verify whether those features that strike me as odd might in fact have been included in one run or another of F3x bags.

Lyric
08-24-2012, 03:29 PM
Is that just your gear closet? Impressive.

Jon
08-26-2012, 05:27 PM
It is.

And on your bag - was visiting my sister, whose brown F2 dates to when I gave her my FTb, so late '86 or early '87. It has "The Rugged Professional" on the stripe under the "DOMKE". It also has a snap in the middle of the back pocket, as does my classic F2 from the early '80s (metal fittings all around) and its companion F801. They don't have anything embossed in them however. All that says your bag probably dates between late '87 and mid '88. I just dug out my navy F2 which I probably got in early '88 (that'd be this one) and it does indeed have the snap on the back pocket, with DOMKE on it.
http://jonbarrettphoto.smugmug.com/photos/576613756_o7z32-L-3.jpg

angkan
09-01-2012, 11:32 AM
may be it is a prototype.

Lyric
09-14-2012, 01:01 AM
Thanks for your help, Jon. I'm loving the bag. I just wish it had a hand strap, Thinking about dyeing it and then reweather sealing it.

It is.

And on your bag - was visiting my sister, whose brown F2 dates to when I gave her my FTb, so late '86 or early '87. It has "The Rugged Professional" on the stripe under the "DOMKE". It also has a snap in the middle of the back pocket, as does my classic F2 from the early '80s (metal fittings all around) and its companion F801. They don't have anything embossed in them however. All that says your bag probably dates between late '87 and mid '88. I just dug out my navy F2 which I probably got in early '88 (that'd be this one) and it does indeed have the snap on the back pocket, with DOMKE on it.
http://jonbarrettphoto.smugmug.com/photos/576613756_o7z32-L-3.jpg